Predator guide by Xndr
Predator

With huge, lance-like claws of solid bone emerging from their forearms, and spikes fit to impale the strongest foe spread across their hard shell, Predators seem more like daemons than Beasts. The men who fight beside them look at them with recollected fear from the days the Predators hunted humans, not daemons. But the hunger, speed, and rage they bring to bear against the Hellbourne are a welcome boon.
Predator is one of the most underrated heroes right now in HoN. On his own, he’s a mediocre hero at best, but in team fights, he’s a BEAST (no pun intended). He’s a pretty flexible hero who can serve as a ganker, tank, and initiator. I guess if you could compare him to any hero in DotA, he is closest to N’aix (commonly picked hero in DotA); he has a slow, an activated magic-immunity, and Feast.
Stats
Damage: 52-62
Armor: 1.52
Magic Armor: 5.5
Movespeed: 300
Attack Range: 100 (melee)
Str: 25 + 2.4
Agi: 18 + 1.9
Int: 15 + 1.8
Skills
Venomous Leap

The Predator leaps toward an enemy unit, then strikes them with venomous claws. The enemy takes some damage and is slowed briefly.
Level 1 : Leaps toward target dealing 75 magic damage, 40% movement slow for 2 seconds
Level 2 : Leaps toward target dealing 125 magic damage, 40% movement slow for 3 seconds
Level 3 : Leaps toward target dealing 175 magic damage, 40% movement slow for 4 seconds
Level 4 : Leaps toward target dealing 225 magic damage, 40% movement slow for 5 seconds
Type: Magic
Range: 650
Mana Cost: 90
Cooldown: 20/17/14/11 seconds
Great all-in-one ability: deals damage, slows the target, and brings Predator immediately into melee range.
Stone Hide

The Predator makes his hide like stone, granting him Magic Immunity, dispelling debuffs, and increasing his armor temporarily.
Level 1 : Dispels debuffs, +3 armor and magic immunity for 3.0 seconds
Level 2 : Dispels debuffs, +6 armor and magic immunity for 3.75 seconds
Level 3 : Dispels debuffs, +9 armor and magic immunity for 4.5 seconds
Level 4 : Dispels debuffs, +12 armor and magic immunity for 5.25 seconds
Mana Cost: 75
Cooldown: 15 seconds
Kind of a “burst” tanking ability, or an escape mechanism if need be. Situational awareness and predicting your enemy’s next move are pretty key to using this successfully.
Carnivorous

The Predator feasts on his opponents flesh with each attack, allowing him to topple the mightiest warriors. Each attack damages opponents for a percentage of their current Health, and heals the Predator based on the damage dealt. Does not work on boss units.
Level 1 : Deals physical damage to targets equal to 4% of their current health and heals you for the same amount.
Level 2 : Deals physical damage to targets equal to 5% of their current health and heals you for the same amount.
Level 3 : Deals physical damage to targets equal to 6% of their current health and heals you for the same amount.
Level 4 : Deals physical damage to targets equal to 7% of their current health and heals you for the same amount.
Exact same ability as Feast. Percentage-based damage is always great because it scales with your enemies’ health as you go into late-game. It is based on the target’s current HP though, so it loses effectiveness with each successive attack.
Terror

The Predator roars, instilling terror in nearby enemies, reducing their armor. Allies who attack enemies affected by terror will receive increased attack and movement speed.
Level 1 : Applies Terror to enemy heroes for 20 seconds in a 450 radius around self. -4 armor, when attacked, buffs attacker’s attack speed by 30% and movement speed by 15% for 4.5 seconds
Level 2 : Applies Terror to enemy heroes for 20 seconds in a 450 radius around self. -8 armor, when attacked, buffs attacker’s attack speed by 50% and movement speed by 15% for 4.5 seconds
Level 3 : Applies Terror to enemy heroes for 20 seconds in a 450 radius around self. -12 armor, when attacked, buffs attacker’s attack speed by 70% and movement speed by 15% for 4.5 seconds
Mana Cost: 100/200/300
Cooldown: 150 seconds
Kind of like Vengeful Spirit’s Wave of Terror but with a much larger cooldown/effect and a ridiculous buff to all attackers.
Skill Build
1. Venomous Leap
2. Stone Hide
3. Venomous Leap
4. Stone Hide
5. Venomous Leap
6. Stone Hide
7. Venomous Leap
8. Stone Hide
9. Terror
10. Carnivorous
11. Terror
12. Carnivorous
13. Carnivorous
14. Carnivorous
15. Stats
16. Terror
I max his two main abilities ASAP and hold off on the ulti until later. It isn’t useful until larger fights start happening and costs a ton of mana.
Major Strengths/Weaknesses
+Great initiator
+Good ganking abilities
-Low mana pool, ulti costs a ton
Ideally, this is what I want to have happen in a team fight:
-initiate the fight by leaping in on the first kill target
-Stone Hide, while the panicked opposing team reacts by focusing you and wasting their spells
-Terror while in the middle of the entire enemy team
-your team comes in and eats them, NOM NOM NOM
-live to tell about it
You might not always reach Step 5 but with good teamwork, the person you surprise-leaped on stood no chance. If really necessary to get the slow off, you can always pre-Stone Hide and then leap in. Unfortunately, physical-based disables can still stop you. This makes the recent change to Pestilence’s stun pretty bad for Predator.
Good Stone Hide usage is all about timing, just like using a BKB. Pop it too early and you will be ignored for 5 seconds, then be defenseless for 10. Wait too long and you will eat a stun/silence/sheep and not get a chance to use it at all.
Items
Starting Items

Mid-game Items

Late-game Items

I usually go for a tank build with Predator. DPS items are ok, but early on you want to be ganking with a teammate anyway, so massive amounts of damage aren’t necessary. Bracer mats give you the extra mana needed to use your skills often enough. Then if I’m doing well, I’ll make a Vanguard in the lane. Predator needs survivability in team fights for when Stone Hide isn’t up; Vanguard and Heart are perfect for that. Helm of the Dominator is for a more dependable lifesteal and more tankiness. I’m not entirely decided on Steamboots vs. Enhanced Marchers. I usually go for Steamboots, but it seems like every hero in HoN right now is getting Enhanced Marchers so you may need them to keep up. It’s really a matter of preference; they are both good and add to your effective health/survivability. An alternate semi-DPS build I am considering is Mask of Madness/Armlet to make yourself more of a threat while you are magic immune.
Your a complete noob…
Thx for this guide, followed it pretty much.
Was rly nice. Won the game with my friends
Tank build with Pred…. are you kidding me….
Follow this plain and simple Treads/WhispHelm/Hyperstone/Deso/Bfury.
This guide needs improvement.
Going tank is an interesting idea, but not at all needed. Pred has enough HP to stay in team fights and win one v ones without too many additional HP items. Bracers and Steamboots(str) should be enough. Combine this with a life steal of some sort (I prefer Abyssal Skull, as it allows me to support my teammates) and anyone trying to take you on head to head is done for.
Predator is one of several characters that can pretty much own just using their skill set. My build:
Fortified Bracers x2
Steamboots(Str)
Warpcleft or some other AS increasing item.
Abysall Skull or Symbol of Rage
A +Damage item can be added late game if you have the cash and went with Abyssal Skull over Symbol of Rage. In this case, something like a Desolator or MKB can work quite well.
This is an interesting guide. However, I find it’s much more effective to lane til 3, then jungle, only coming out to gank.
Spec:
1,3,5,7 Carnivorous
6,11,16 Terror
Alternate between Leap and Hide depending on situation. I usually level them equally.
Items:
Start: Stout Shield, Courier, Runes
Mid: Enhanced Marchers, Insanitarius
Late: Shieldbreaker, Demonic Breastplate
You can tank, but you’re more of a chaser/dps. Hasn’t failed me at all.
I prefer starting with double claws double runes and double mana pots(sometimes varrying with who i am laning with). For skills i go leap hide leap carn then alternate between leap and hide getting ult at 6 then continueing to level carn. I prefer the carn early game for the helpful life steal while denieing and getting last hits and it hleps alot when ganking early game as well. As for items i go double bracers, phase boots, insanitorius, whispering helm, shieldbreaker in that order. If you farm well enough, or are playing easy mode, you can get all these by midgame and possibly get symbol of rage but even without it you should be unkillable. Also another option to go is bkb(shrunken head), this along with hide makes you basically untouchable to most teams for 15-20 seconds depending on rank of hide and how many times head has been used already in the game. Hoped this helps:P
Haha wtf? No carni before late? noob.
You can farm really early if you get a shield and Carnivorous
Why do so many people insist on refering to items by their Dota name…get over it.
baal is right, you are a complete noob
Your guide is stupid. He’s not a tank, he’s a chaser. You only get stone hide early if they have spells that can potentally disrupt or do high damage. Otherwise, always get carnivorous after venomous to ensure early kills. You are a complete noob
OH BTW, you have to get armlet with pred. The item was made for him and the fact its not in your build means your an even bigger noob
Starting
2 clow + 6 str
axe 33% + dmg for creeps
and potions
mid game
ghost mar
elder parasite
2 bracer
late
ghost marc
Elder parasite
Shieldbreak
insane
breastfull plate
behemoth heart
skill
carnivorous
leap
carnivorous
stone
carnivorous
terror
carnivorous
leap
stone
leap
terror
stone…..
insane or behemoth change for brutalizer…
stfu, u said so noobish things of war beast…
thanks for the guide. It’s not great but it helps. And people can you stop calling the host a noob, it doesnt help anything but your egos. Please make helpful suggestions instead of going “wtf noob” every other post.
one word. pathetic. its not even a guide. more like “what noobs will do for a predator”.
The helpful suggestions here is to not follow this noobguide. Hell, might as well just follow the recommended items then this guide. He’s a ganker carry, not a tank.
You mainly just want things that give you better dps, and reduce armor so HoN’s equivelant to Assault Curiass is some of the best things to get him. The Fact that predator has his own armor debuff is just a good score. And Also, Predator is a very good tank, the fact he has lifesteal as well as a few ganking abilities makes him so much more better. The fact that he is a carry makes him tank due to his lifesteal. Anyway thats my Opinion
Stupid guide
Nice guide,
smarter than other noob who take predator for a stupid carry-dps hero.
His skill do +dmg depends of current ennemy hp, so it’s useless to lose massive amount of money for dps-stuff.
Predator as a tank will do massive damage AND unstoppable hero, your team do the rest.
You’re terrible. Insantarius on predator= gameover.
Dialga I thought i taught u better, stun/disbale pred = gameover for pred… geeze son ur such a little nubkip…
Dialga´s mother (respects to her) is right, there are a lot of physical stun/disable that destroys you even if you have good hide timing. I, personally, absolutely love parasite but insanitatius haven’t been working very well for me, usually u have 1 or 2 seconds before they stun/diasble you when you initiate battles, so insa actually turns into a dps for you and pretty much nothing else…
I also like steamboots over ghost/post haste, due to the aspd, am i crazy?.
What about Helm of the Black Legion? it’s one of the most OP items in the game, and fits jungle theme perfectly (i’ve tanked Kongor with steam/legion/parasite lvl 12, just spam hide, parasite, ulti in all cooldowns).
Lol, yea, this is indeed a noob guide for preda, i usually go leap/carn and leave hide for later, but if u r against a mage u might want to max it earliear instead of maxing the leap, since leap is pretty much to slow and reach the target, if u have ghost marchers u’ll be able to catch a lot of heroes (those who blink and jump and stuff might actually get out of reach fast), and items to start , if u want hp regen or mp regen, if u can afford both ok, if u farm well enought by mid game you’ll be able to have shield breaker and ghost marchers, i usually like them over steam boots ’cause most of the times when u gank someone they usually run, but if u r going against someone that will fight back and can actually put u in trouble go steam boots, dont ever go pos haste , they are for mages with some exceptions, as for late game, if u r in a five vs five, get the Assault Curiass, that way your team will also benefit, and if there are a lot of meles in your team, one of the should have abyssal, if game is not over by the time u have assault cuirass, then get behemoth, i wouldn’t get brutalizer cause fights are usually over real fast with this guy, and they almost never manage to get enought damage to make u worried, also dun play EM games, THEY ARE FOR NOOBS, u might have 100 wins in 100 ems with 100%of ems played, that usually means that you’ll suck in normal game, black legion to farm? no thanks, carn helps u to farm,as for going kongor mid game is not a good idea, you’ll get ganked, and probably the other team will get kong, and if u r going with your team, u dont need black legion, he will die fast, and most likely u can have a spare tank.
So,
Leap
carn
leap/stone hide if lots of mages
carn
leap/stone hide if lots of mages
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.
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terror
And for items, well depends on your budget, if u r 3 vs 3, if u go 4 vs 4 or 5 vs 5, u might want to choose hp over mp, i usually pick hp, but if u r lanning with a healer or a mage, go mp, specially the ring
early game
ring of the teacher
trinket of restoration
minor totem
healing pot
mid
u should still have the ring and the trinket, plus
ghost marchers/steam boots (depending again on the other team)
shield breaker
Late game
probably by this point u sold all the early game garbage
Your boots
Shield breaker
Assault cuirass
Luxuy items
Behemoths heart
Shield breaker+assault+ulti = no armor for the enemy + insane attack speed for u and your team mates
I wouldnt buy parasite to a hero that is not chronos, since it makes u take extra damage (30% is a crapload, puppet master would totally rape you), a lot mages could actually kill a tuff hero if the tuff one activates elder
Also saying that on his own he is a mediocre hero whats wrong with you? ever since i started in hon he has been key in team battles, feared and respected, 1 vs 1 few heroes can do something…
Here’s my opinion:
Ether, think about what you said.
“His skill do +dmg depends of current ennemy hp”
His skill does +dmg depending on the CURRENT enemy hp. 7% of it at max carni.
That damage, decreases as you decrease the enemies life. At one point, that 7% is so small that it’s negligible.
Let’s say your enemy has a 1000 hp. 7% of that is 70. Not bad right.
Now he has 500 hp. 7% of that is 35. Uhmmm…. that’s becoming too low.
You’d prolong the battle too much that either your friend would get the kill, you’d get stunned by your enemy or he’d blink away from you,or you’d get ganged by the enemy, while you try to kill your prey in futility.
In any case above, you won’t get the gold, and you won’t get those +hp items.
Remember, you only have 5.25 secs of magic immunity. After that, you’d need to wait nearly 10 secs to activate it. Use that 5.25 secs to practically rape every being you see, starting with the stunners.
Predator as a tank won’t do MASSIVE damage if you just get +hp items. I’ve done that. Results turn out sub par to what predator can do.
DO NOT rely on the third skill for damage. ‘Cause mid game to late game, you won’t see yourself doing damage as much as others do.
What predator lacks is ASPD to properly kill late game. That’s why I suggest, like some have suggested, to buy the Daemonic Breastplate. Or even just the Warpcleft. Trust me, it does wonders. For just 2100, and together with an activated Insanitarius, mages won’t see what hit them, and you’d rape most melee heroes.
As predator, you don’t have to tank. You can off-tank, but you’d rather not be the main tank.
Why not build a tanking predator with +hp items?
He can’t attract the attention of the other team if the things that he has are +hp. C’mon, his DPS is not that big. His ASPD is sub-par compared to carries. I’d rather go for those squishy carries or mages before I’d go for predator.
Also, he doesn’t have that scary AOE or that disable that would want to make the other team say “We’ve got to kill him fast, before he unleashes that AOE.”
Think about it.
His first skill damages and slows a single target. Keyword, single.
His second skill adds an armor buff and magic immunity. Why in the world would you target someone who has +10 armor and magic immunity if others can do better damage and are more squishy?
Third skill, lifesteal. Single target. Passive.
Fourth skill, AOE that decreases enemy armor and adds a buff to allies if the allies hit the debuff enemy. Sounds good. Sounds scary.
The fourth skill would only be scary if:
1. If you have a carry with you.
2. If you can carry.
But in clashes, if you want got those +hp items, you won’t get the attention. The carries, disablers, and mages would get the attention. So if all carries die, fourth skill would be nearly useless.
If you get dps items. Now you’d get that wanted attention that tanks really want. The enemy now has a reason to be scared of you more than your more squishy but also deadly comrades. Cause now you can kill, and now you can practically rape the entire team.
Why not get Helm of the Black Legion?
You’d only delay yourself in getting those more precious items that allows you to hunt, and to kill. Remember, you’re a Predator. It’s your job.
For the better build, I’d go with what STFUGUYS suggested.
Though I’d add Insanitarius to the mix, as one of your first main items. Of course, use it wisely. Its use could mean life or death.
By the way, I’d suggest you’d get yourself another lifesteal. I’d go for Abyssal Skull since it has the same lifesteal percentage, but it also benefits your melee allies, for only 200 gold more. Plus the pieces of the Abyssal Skull are cheap. So I’d get it.
Again, that’s my opinion.
Clearly Parasite is needed with his hero and NOT whispering helm so if you catch a solo hero u just leap hide parasite=dead. It will also help ur survival in clashes where you will initiate.
i totally see where ure going at with that, but(yes theres allways a but) ive been playing pred allot and love it, so ofc i will learn a couple of things here and there. u allways have to think about what situation ure in when u decide what to skill up, if u have no strenght heroes on the enemy team, carnarvious wont help that much(it will help but since strenght heroes are the once with most hp giving u way more HP each attack). if u have an int hero on ure lane u shuld go for venomous leap so that u can fast and easily get in melee range, and u probably dont need stone hide higher ranked than 1 atleast for the first 8 lvls. wich means u shuld focus on carnarvious and venomous leap. if u have a push dps hero like a scout in ure lane, stone hide will be the best choice to skill up first, combine that with carnarvious and venomous leap equally skilled by lvls u rly shuldnt have much problems.
im sorry it got abit short but just stubled over this during a boring class at school. english is not my native language so please overlook my misspells.
this is only based on my personal experience, no theory crafting or simmular stuff.
if i we’re you play the game before making this guide cause this is stupid!! specially the item builds you need the 3rd skill to lvl up 1st than stone hide
My usual build goes:
Steamboots > Elder Parasite> Savage Mace > Demonic Breastplate.
I havent looked at the technical aspects but this has really worked well in the past.
But to build on his armour-killing capabilities, shieldbreaker could be bought instead of savage mace, but since this doesn’t stack with lifesteal items, abyssal skull could replace elder parasite.(extra lifeleech not completely necessary, you could even skip abyssal skull and go directly for shieldbreaker, but as a noob i find it hard to farm fast enough so i rely on jungling, which requires a bit of extra lifesteal) Lvl 4 Carnivorous + elder parasite gives 24% lifesteal, which should compensate for the crazed effects taking the extra damage.
Enhanced Marchers might help catching up with opponents but i feel steamboots works better due to the increased attack speed earlier.
If u wanna be really crazy u can get abyssal skull after elder parasite which gives you 39% lifesteal lol. Thats completely uneccessary.
If you decide on getting elder parasite then you don’t REALLY need enhanced marchers since the crazed effects give you extra ms.
What can really get you down as pred is a bad team. Early game heroes who ks you. Retards laning with you. Predator is very weak early game, but with a good ranged lanemate he can get some kills earlier which will be very helpful.
Personally i don’t recommend Hotbl for Predator even though ive seen many people taking it. I dont see the need if hes got a lifesteal item already.
I also think abyssal skull is a bit of a waste, and that elder parasite suits him much better. But elder parasite = no shieldbreaker. its up to you.
I take that back : Enhanced Marchers + elder parasite is awesome. 488ms together. makes him a great chaser along with his first skill.
Erik does Carnivorous get affected by splash damage e.g Runed Axe. If so will it not be a suitable item for team battles?
As it will decrease overall HP with splash+7% ?
Yet again i change my mind xD.
The elder parasite build is only for gay pubs.
For a proper game, i find the normal build the most effective :
Steamboots > Insanitarius > Sheildbreaker (You’ll own by now) > Demonic Breastplate
You could chuck in a couple of bracers in there for extra survivability, but i personally think it doesn’t make MUCH of a difference.
Extra lifeleech (Abyssal skull) can be taken, but is not really that necessary.
I find pred a pretty good jungler too. Upgrade carnivorous, get an iron buckler and loggers hatchet and ur all set. Cept it isnt easy with one level of Carnivorous, its smooth sailing with 3 levels.
this is my build with predator, i always follow it, have never lost so far (4 games
)
skills:
level 1: carnivorous (1)
level 2: leap (1)
level 3: carnivorous (2)
level 4: stone hide (1)
level 5: carnivorous (3)
level 6: leap (2)
level 7: leap (3)
level 8: carnivorous (4)
level 9: leap (4)
level 10) terror (1)
level 11: terror
level 12-14) stone hide (2,3,4)
level 15: stats
level 16: terror
level 17-25: stats
items: loggers hatchet, 2 fortified bracelets, steamboots, frostburn, insanitarius, heart, daemonic breastplate
this is an awesome build, but u only get those items (all of those items) like 1/250 ”/
GG
i have like a question…
what is the best hero vs predator and which item will own him, cuz i have been getting owned and couldnt do nothing vs him in 1v1 and 5v5(also 2v2).
also i think barbared does some dmg vs him when u go tank vs pred.
i would probly say pestilence the most but there others like maliken, armadon,electrician and hammer would probably also. they are just some of the heroes i think can counter pred
i followed the item build on this guide,
lvl’d carn/leapcarn ect ult at lvl 13/14
mid/late i was 3v1 and winning
so dont pay off preds tanking ability
“Rek1em says:
November 24, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Starting
2 clow + 6 str
axe 33% + dmg for creeps
and potions
mid game
ghost mar
elder parasite
2 bracer
late
ghost marc
Elder parasite
Shieldbreak
insane
breastfull plate
behemoth heart
skill
carnivorous
leap
carnivorous
stone
carnivorous
terror
carnivorous
leap
stone
leap
terror
stone…..”
Best build I’ve seen here. As faith would have it it’s the same build i created for him originally so i know for a fact its the MOST effective.
1st thing preda isn’t a tank 2nd thing ur skill build is so wrong,3rd thing ur item build is wrong too,i get predetor. braclet
i get an iron bukler if i want to jungle steam boots
elder parasite
armlet
shield breaker/frostburn
assult curias
btw for the orb efect “deso,madess” u must turn the orb into the deso and the elder is only for attack speed not for life steal
why ever get elders its sooo pointless…. 2 bracers helm steamboots frostburn demonic and you win forever
then a doom bringer